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carlo - 19-5-2004 at 15:09

allego qui un testo d'approfondimento

va dalla scrittura connettiva
al concetto di performing media,
la parola virale che sto lanciando con il mio ultimo libro
http://www.novecentolibri.it

mano mano che andiamo avanti linkerò in questo forum dei repertori

partiamo da questo
http://www.trovarsinrete.org/osservatorio.HTM

da voi aspetto ora delle notazioni sulla memetica,
dopo la vostra esplorazione random
sia con google che con vivisimo



Allegato: Alcuni punti di sviluppo teorico per il workshop su Performing Media.doc (53kB)
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Articolo in pdf sulla Memetica

FrankZappa - 19-5-2004 at 15:38

PDF sulla memetica

Paradigma memetico

FrankZappa - 19-5-2004 at 15:39

Secondo il paradigma memetico è di fondamentale importanza conoscere i passaggi e i meccanismi dell’algoritmo evoluzionistico di Darwin (blind variation and selective retention), responsabile, se correttamente interpretato, di una straordinaria ricchezza di esempi e casi di creatività ottenuti con pochissimo dispendio di energie e costi. Un vero motore di novità, attraverso l’esplicazione di una procedura apparentemente semplice. E la teoria dei memi si fonda proprio su un simile programma universale per interpretare operativamente il senso stesso della conoscenza, della cultura, della società.

Link trovato

Stefano Allegrezza - 19-5-2004 at 15:39

Noi abbiamo trovato il seguente link:
http://memetica.interfree.it/
il sito italiano sui memi

teatro

Antonio Tursi - 19-5-2004 at 15:40

bisognerebbe chiarire il rapporto alfabeto-teatro-corpo-immediatezza.

Links sulla memetica

FrankZappa - 19-5-2004 at 15:41

http://memetica.interfree.it

http://www.sindominio.net/biblioweb/memetica/memes.html

http://www.lucifer.com/virus/alt.memetics/faq.html (Memetics Biblio...

http://www.firstmonday.dk/issues/issue4_10/downes/

http://pespmc1.vub.ac.be/MEMIN.HTML

Memetica e filosofia (in spagnolo)

FrankZappa - 19-5-2004 at 15:42

Por otro lado, vista desde la perspectiva de la filosofía, la doctrina de los memes tiene antecedentes en tesis clásicas. En cierta forma puede verse como un peculiar desarrollo de la teoría de las ideas platónicas; de la teoría averroísta del entendimiento agente; como una interpretación de la filosofía del espíritu de Hegel o de la teoría de la ideología de Marx, o de la diferencia husserliana entre noesis y noema; e incluso se podría relacionar con las tesis orteguianas sobre las generaciones. Pero su proximidad mayor es con la teoría de los tres mundos de Karl Popper y su defensa de un conocimiento objetivo sin sujeto cognoscente.

Silvietta - 19-5-2004 at 15:42

Caro Carlo noi abbiamo trovato questa osservazione che ci ha incuriositi: "che esistano delle unità di trasmissione della cultura, dette memi. In altri termini, i memi sono le idee che, trasmesse da mente a mente, acquisiscono una sorta di vita autonoma e manifestano una loro caratteristica capacità di diffusione e replicazione.Esistono pertanto dei memi "forti" cioè con alta capacità di diffusione e replicazione, e memi "deboli", con scarsa capacità di diffusione e replicazione."
1) che differenza c'è a questo punto tra un meme ed un'idea, un concetto? Non è sempre stato un concetto, un'idea qualcosa di vivo e condivisibile dai membri di una comunità, qualcosa di e per sua natura sociale?

memetica e virus

Antonio Tursi - 19-5-2004 at 15:43

Segnalo il breve ma incisivo articolo su virus e memetica di Federico Montanari su Cyberzone numero 18

Silvietta - 19-5-2004 at 15:47

Ma se la scrittura era per eccellenza tecnologia di conservazione e memoria come può essere mutante? Se mutano anche i contenuti che senso ha immobilizzare qualcosa con la scrittura? Ritorniamo al socratico rifiuto della scrittura? Alla sua negazione?

FrankZappa - 19-5-2004 at 15:48

Scrive Ianneo:
"Esempi di memi sono idee, mode, melodie e virtualmente qualunque unità culturale e comportamentale che viene replicata con un certo grado di fedeltà. La necessità di comprendere i memi ricorda l'importanza e le conseguenze ottenute nell'indagine sui processi di sviluppo del DNA e dell'RNA in biologia molecolare."

asgattio - 19-5-2004 at 15:48

Che rapporto c'è tra la teoria di espansione dell'alfabeto (di un sistema di cornice e linearizzante) con la non-linearità della rete?

il brodo primordiale

carlo - 19-5-2004 at 15:49

Quota:
Originariamente scritto da Silvietta
Caro Carlo noi abbiamo trovato questa osservazione che ci ha incuriositi: "che esistano delle unità di trasmissione della cultura, dette memi. In altri termini, i memi sono le idee che, trasmesse da mente a mente, acquisiscono una sorta di vita autonoma e manifestano una loro caratteristica capacità di diffusione e replicazione.Esistono pertanto dei memi "forti" cioè con alta capacità di diffusione e replicazione, e memi "deboli", con scarsa capacità di diffusione e replicazione."
1) che differenza c'è a questo punto tra un meme ed un'idea, un concetto?

<<<
non c'è, credo, una differenza
il meme è tale in misura proporzionale alla sua efficacia di contagio
<<<

Non è sempre stato un concetto, un'idea qualcosa di vivo e condivisibile dai membri di una comunità, qualcosa di e per sua natura sociale?


si, la diffusione dei memi
( trattiamo ancora di questox un pò... ma poi andiamo oltre... anche se a pensarci bene è una delle questioni matrice della nostra discussione di oggi sull'evoluzione della scrittura in ambiente digitale)
è strettamente connessa con l'ambiente sociale

come x i virus o i batteri la corcolazione è maggoiore dove c'è complessità...
zone umide e dense d'immaginario collettivo...
non a caso il fenomeno esplode con la società di massa e la diffusione mediatica...
le mode... il pop...
i memi contagiano nel brodo primordiale dei nuovi comportamenti che sperimentano linguaggio

socrambus - 19-5-2004 at 15:50

Se la rete è un ambiente presuppone delle strutture di gestione e di controllo del suo spazio.
La gerarchia è invisibile all'utente che sviluppa e allarga i suoi rapporti orizzontali, siamo nell'era dispotico-virtuale?

















link

mario orfeo - 19-5-2004 at 15:50

ecco un altro link sulla memetica:
http://www.ecomind.it/Pagine/Memetica
mi sembra consigliabile a chi, come me, è un profano...

Perplessità

FrankZappa - 19-5-2004 at 15:53

La scrittura non conserva, è mutante. Difficile pensare a qualcosa in natura che rimanga in fondo sempre immutato. Se però questa trasformazione sia da intendere in senso darwinistico, non è chiaro. E soprattutto, ancora una volta, potrebbe essere fuorviante. Vorrebbe dire che in qualche modo c'è una scrittura più "evoluta" di un'altra, e suggerirebbe interpretazioni basate non più sulla differenza, ma sulla gerarchia.

zezik - 19-5-2004 at 16:01

la memetica: vecchi concetti ristrutturati entro il paradigma comunicativo. Si sente l'esigenza di un Marx dei nuovi media

un nuovo paradigma del comunicare

carlo - 19-5-2004 at 16:03

Quota:
Originariamente scritto da Silvietta
Ma se la scrittura era per eccellenza tecnologia di conservazione e memoria come può essere mutante?



<<<
giusto!
quello che sostengo
infatti
riguarda l'avvento di un nuovo paradigma della comunicazione
attraverso un'interattività che pone la scrittura in una condizione più aperta...
fino a diventare opportunità partecipativa
come nei blog
<<<

Se mutano anche i contenuti che senso ha immobilizzare qualcosa con la scrittura? Ritorniamo al socratico rifiuto della scrittura? Alla sua negazione?


no
non si nega
muta
acquista forme non previste

ora linko il forum dove appaiono le opere di scrittura mutante selezionate quest'anno
http://forum.trovarsinrete.org/read.php?f=33&i=312&t=312
e da qui si riparte

convegno sul blog

Antonio Tursi - 19-5-2004 at 16:09

http://blogosphere.typepad.com/blogosphere/2004/05/il_programma_de....

videogiochi e socializzazione

FrankZappa - 19-5-2004 at 16:12

Videogiochi/ Radiografia dei giocatori di MMORPG

di Giovanni Romano. Macché punti di esperienza, oggetti rari, avatar ultrapotenti: il vero succo dei MMORPG è socializzare con gli altri.

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Albero

Puro Buonsenso - 19-5-2004 at 16:55

Ecco il un link per l'ideogramma "albero".



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moltheni - 19-5-2004 at 17:30


carlo ha citato dawkins e il gene egoista (libro difficile ma interessante). dawkins sostiene che un libro scientifico è come un gene: deve trovare una nicchia ecologica, se ci è riuscito lo si vede dal numero di citazioni che riceve...evidentemente per carlo lo è eccome!

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